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welcome back fade the black

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camera jimmy church tonight richard

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dolan is here

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yeah man

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tomorrow night i'm off saturday i'm over

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hosting coast to coast am

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sunday i am sleeping and doing yard work

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next week we kick off another week here

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on fade to black tonight it is richard

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dolan a special night tonight normally

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this is fader night open lines

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but we've got richard here got a lot to

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talk about he is one of the world's

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leading researchers and writers on the

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subject of ufos

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and believes that they constitute the

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greatest mystery of our time he

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completed his graduate work at the

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university of rochester where he studied

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us cold war strategy european history

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and international diplomacy before that

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he studied at alfred university and

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oxford university and was a finalist for

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rhodes scholarship i will never get

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tired of saying that he is the author of

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ufos in the national security state he

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co-authored with bryce zabel a.d after

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disclosure and his latest book of course

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is ufos in the 21st century mind he

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hosts his own radio show the richard

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dolan show he's got his live youtube uh

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live stream that he does now each week

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with his wife and in addition to

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everything else he owns richard dolan

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press actively publishing books by

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authors from all around the world on all

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kinds of subjects tonight we're going to

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be discussing the latest news about the

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united states navy adopting allegedly

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new reporting procedures for ufos and

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ufps and other ufo news i'd like to

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welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only richard bleep and dolan richard

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good evening

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hi jimmy how am i coming in can you hear

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me yeah i got you man i got you live

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loud and clear

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very good why would you ask me that did

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you lose the internet today

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no i didn't know but i um i've got this

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nice little microphone hooked up to my

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computer and when i when i connected

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with you just before we went on i said

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hey can you hear me

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and you're like uh i don't hear any

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answers

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i was doing other stuff man

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i was doing other stuff i was drinking

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coffee richard i was paying no attention

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this sounds like my world i i don't like

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to listen to people these days

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i don't know oh that's a good answer man

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that's a good answer uh okay look uh

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last song you listened to today i knew

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you were going to ask me this and i had

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and she remembered and it was by the

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cure how about that

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you went the cure today oh

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which which one

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pictures of you oh man strong strong

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good song right oh man i you know i like

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and uh and they played

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and i don't know if they did pictures of

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you i think boys don't cry i think they

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did did they get inducted into the rock

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and roll well they played

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uh they should be there if they're not

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but they sounded great man they sounded

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great they sounded really really

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wonderful uh great band so that they

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they get the nod for this show yeah

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there you go my last song today i talked

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about it in the intro

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rumble

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i cranked that in the bunker today oh

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it's just such a good song

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you'll have to you'll have to play that

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one for me i'm not sure if i know that

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yeah you do pulp fiction

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we're in the midst of uh these crazy

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every time you're on this show even when

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we're hanging out you know somewhere uh

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around the country we're hanging out it

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seems that we just sit down

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that that is going on and it's it's been

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it's been in a no let up mode

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well it's ufos and it's every other part

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of the world that's right it's not just

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that i believe people are getting worked

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exception but i don't i don't think that

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it's unique in both field no it's not

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this okay this is what uh uh we're gonna

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social media and you and i

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our private conversations you and i

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let's go back like five years i remember

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on advertising on the net on what

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youtube could be how to deal with

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twitter you hadn't gone back to your

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social media skills i'll just say that

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importance of it yes and and here we are

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these companies that we help support

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church lady and facebook is church lady

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and uh youtube is every bit as bad

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show i don't know am i going to get

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dinged i'm not brought into the youtube

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principal's office this time like every

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time i create anything for youtube

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that decide is uh is this good or bad oh

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this is bad let's de-monetize him let's

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ding him i'm expecting one day like

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they're gonna just yank me all together

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well you know they did that to us last

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i didn't know that they did what did you

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refresh my page maybe those just you

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that's what it said standards no no not

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communities i've had no community i've

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had no community strikes no cop nothing

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years so have you figured this out uh

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through a legal process uh the king in

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uh this email that any further

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channel did you find out no they never

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anything it was the craziest i mean not

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a strike not a warning not nothing are

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you familiar with the writer france

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kafka yes yeah of course so this is very

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kafka it's very cough gas uh if anyone

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hasn't read the process the trial great

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book kind of creepy very brilliant

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and the character in the trial

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is arrested but he never gets charges

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like he doesn't know what what's the

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problem and he's got to go to trial and

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he has no idea what the process is he

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keeps trying to find out and he goes

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that gives him no answers and just gets

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crazier and crazier this is a hundred

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years ago when kafka wrote this book and

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youtube is like that they give no

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because they're so big and they're

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everything is done by their algorithms

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so that no one can ever take

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literally i think that's the purpose of

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it so they they don't want to take

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responsibility individually they just

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have their rules in place there are no

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reasons given anymore

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so i'm sorry that that happened to you

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and now you're living on the tightrope

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no well yeah i i

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youtube was never and you and i had this

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conversation five years ago that youtube

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is just a small slice of what we do

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right we've got all kinds of things

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going around and our main focus is the

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live radio show first everything else

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organically happens after that youtube

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was only an archiving post uh for us to

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go and archive the shows but reality is

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it's so big like you it really can't be

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ignored it can't be we have a hundred

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thousand subs you know by the way i

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would just say the listeners like who

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think oh boohoo you got d monetized why

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is it about the money i would just say

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this try writing a book and then have

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someone say oh you're not allowed to

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make money off of your book no or worse

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than that in principle

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worse than that you write a book and

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then somebody else takes your book makes

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a copy of it and starts selling it and

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and monetizing it and happens too but

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right he's talking about youtube's

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arbitrary rules to prevent

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creators of content who work very hard

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for what they do

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um i just put up a video today it just

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killed me

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i'm not a video editor at all like i

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spent hours on this for something that

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looks like

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totally mediocre to be honest

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but i put it out there

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and

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you know i'm always in danger of youtube

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just smacking me down and just taking

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taking these things away from me yeah

312
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yeah and you have to be conscious of

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that and the other part but see this is

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uh when you talk about monetizing when

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people uh come back and you get your

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monetization you know pulled away and

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you say something about it and somebody

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wants to make a comment about it well

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they what what the bigger picture for me

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is that youtube

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will not do anything uh about other

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people you have to go and chase down

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anybody that is ripping you off number

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one number two

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the viewers on youtube go and watch all

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of this pirated monetized material but

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they don't say anything to the pirate

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channels you know nobody's you know

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they're okay with that but the the

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creators of the content

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heaven forbid they should monetize it's

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it's like man

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i just don't get it anymore i don't well

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it's getting worse and worse and i'm

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glad we're talking about this because i

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believe this will actually have some

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relevance toward our uh topic relating

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to the navy believe it or not it does

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it's all connected bring it i'll i'll

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rope it in

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but um we are moving into an era now

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where you know youtube isn't just

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youtube youtube is google

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google is alphabet

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and google and facebook and they are now

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part of the big media like you know we

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used to talk about fox and cnn and nbc

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and cbs and all that well add in

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facebook and add in youtube

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google

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because their media power

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is every bit as much if not more

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and they make as much money if not more

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than some of those big media operations

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so what we're seeing is a

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a major consolidation of and

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centralization of the power and the

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algorithms that youtube has

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do yourself a favor and anyone listening

360
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try to do a youtube search on

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anything you want really like ufo

362
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typing ufo into your youtube search and

363
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what you're gonna get

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is a

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search dominated by cnn fox and nbc bbc

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cbc like all the major

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uh establishments all the major

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corporations and it's just shocking to

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me every time i see it

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so they rig the game

371
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they have what i would say is a very

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dishonest algorithm so all of the

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results are rigged in favor of large

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establishment corporations

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that are you know they get the little

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green check box

377
00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:40,800
so i just i just punched in ufo and i

378
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got one two three four five pictures of

379
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:47,360
louis elizondo on fox exactly all fox

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and cnn yeah

381
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:50,800
yeah exactly it's a completely rigged

382
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game and that's the only way they can

383
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win is by cheating

384
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so there's like all of these independent

385
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voices out there like you like me and a

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lot of other people

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and

388
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we have something to say that's very

389
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:05,199
different from what you're ever going to

390
00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:08,720
hear on the establishment tv right and

391
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yet you you people have to really hunt

392
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you've got to go pages

393
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:16,560
down to find alternative voices i mean

394
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if you're going to do that for youtube

395
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:19,839
why not just turn on your tv for god's

396
00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:22,480
sake why even bother with youtube just

397
00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,639
turn on your television put on nbc for

398
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god's sake because that's really what

399
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:28,639
they've gone to so they've actually

400
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:30,079
turned youtube they're doing it as much

401
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,560
as possible to turn it back into like tv

402
00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:34,160
of the 1980s

403
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:36,160
and the hell like this is what rolling

404
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:37,040
back

405
00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,720
20 plus years of internet freedom now

406
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:40,880
looks like and and we're not done with

407
00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:43,199
that so what we're seeing with all this

408
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,959
youtube problems and getting dinged and

409
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be and being brought to the principal's

410
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office for every little

411
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,639
imagined infraction

412
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:52,480
that the finger wagging schoolmarm says

413
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:55,519
you made it's only going to get worse

414
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,600
so there's the because it's not just

415
00:16:01,110 --> 00:15:59,120
economic control there's definitely

416
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:01,120
ideological political control going on

417
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:02,160
here

418
00:16:07,829 --> 00:16:05,759
and it will relate i am convinced now

419
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:07,839
to the whole roll out of whatever kind

420
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:09,199
of disclosure we're going to be looking

421
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:10,320
at

422
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:13,199
moving toward a disclosure moment in the

423
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:14,560
ufo field

424
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,519
i didn't

425
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,360
necessarily believe that even five years

426
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:19,839
ago but i think it it's true now but the

427
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,399
question is what will it be like and i'm

428
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,000
i am increasingly convinced that we're

429
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,600
looking at what i now call controlled

430
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:27,600
disclosure

431
00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:30,320
so it's a very highly spun

432
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:32,560
version of disclosure in which the ufo

433
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:33,920
subject's been

434
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:37,120
basically rebranded as uap and

435
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:39,839
all the history all of the drama all of

436
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:42,160
the baggage the cultural connections to

437
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,720
ufo are being siphoned out

438
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:46,800
and now we're going to uap and you have

439
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:49,279
folks like louise elizondo

440
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,560
and i actually have nothing personal

441
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,959
against him but folks like elizondo and

442
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:54,000
a lot of these other people who are

443
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:55,759
getting a lot of media time

444
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,320
are going on to this pretense as fiction

445
00:17:01,189 --> 00:17:00,079
that oh we don't know what these things

446
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,199
are

447
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:03,440
to which i'm going to call bs i don't i

448
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,240
don't think that they believe that

449
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,480
and it's certainly not true and we know

450
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:10,000
that there are

451
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,760
uh individuals and groups within the

452
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:13,919
classified world who know full well that

453
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:15,919
that's not the case they know that there

454
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:18,400
is a phenomenon that they have not

455
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:21,520
been able to cope with for over 70 years

456
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:23,039
and it's not russian and it's not

457
00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:24,240
chinese

458
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:29,350
i'm branding this in order to uh

459
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:32,960
i think defang the ufo term franklin let

460
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,919
me let me ask you this uh even though

461
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,360
this is your uh

462
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:39,360
your answer is going to be your opinion

463
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:40,960
um but

464
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,400
uh a guy like louis elizondo

465
00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:46,799
what does he

466
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:48,559
really know

467
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,840
what does he

468
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,039
actually

469
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:53,919
really know well i'll bet he knows quite

470
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:57,120
a bit i i see the opposite i say the i'm

471
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,480
going the opposite i'm going the

472
00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,400
opposite i think he knows nothing robert

473
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:02,000
bigelow

474
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,720
probably knows a lot realistically okay

475
00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:08,880
i still say he knows pretty close to

476
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:09,919
nothing

477
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:12,559
and and the reason the reason that the

478
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,720
the the real the the actual the real

479
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:19,280
players the real players

480
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,120
that that have these answers uh to to et

481
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:26,000
and ufo and off planet life

482
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,960
are

483
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,919
so far above his pay grade he's he's not

484
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:31,360
even getting he's not even getting

485
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:32,640
crumbs

486
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:34,240
that's that's my opinion it's all

487
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:35,280
relative

488
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,160
uh

489
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:38,080
bigelow i think bigelow

490
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:39,840
well i think bigelow again this is my

491
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:42,799
opinion but i think bigelow um has had

492
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,480
uh very very direct experiences where he

493
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,720
he knows about the e.t presence because

494
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:50,640
of his own experiences

495
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,000
and and

496
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,160
that's what i base mine on is my own

497
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:56,640
experiences i've had a couple with you

498
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,039
that are pretty strange well i

499
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,360
understand that but he's had experiences

500
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,280
plus he's a billionaire

501
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:06,080
and so and he's been obsessed as very

502
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,400
few people in this world are with diving

503
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,480
into the subject and doing everything he

504
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,400
can to learn about it and he's got

505
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:13,919
resources

506
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,559
to to throw into it so you know he ran

507
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:18,480
nids for years and he

508
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,360
uh

509
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,960
you know presided over the skinwalker

510
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,880
ranch as everyone knows and

511
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:24,880
uh was connected with getting mufon's

512
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,480
reports i mean this is a man who sure

513
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,880
has been in a position that almost no

514
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:32,080
one

515
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:35,360
has been in

516
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,840
over the last 25 30 years to have access

517
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,600
to some of the information he's gotten

518
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,080
right and elizondo you know is close to

519
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,160
bigelow but what i'm saying is when

520
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,840
alozano says he doesn't know what they

521
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:46,640
are

522
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,280
i believe well that's that's not true

523
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:50,880
he certainly has to know

524
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:59,669
because these these guys elizondo or um

525
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,640
you know any of the others who are

526
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,400
associated with ttsa

527
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:04,240
they have to

528
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,000
present this fiction to the world

529
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,600
uh to some extent if they're going to

530
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:10,799
get anyone to listen to them if they

531
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:13,600
want to if they want to get cnn or fox

532
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:15,760
to listen to them they can't do what i

533
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,919
do or what you do

534
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:19,120
because those

535
00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:22,000
organizations are so tightly controlled

536
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,160
there's no freedom in any of those major

537
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,320
news organizations

538
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:28,559
so you you have to go and create this

539
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,919
fiction

540
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,400
this is why they've rebranded ufos in my

541
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,080
view and they're they're going straight

542
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:35,760
up with uap

543
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,799
because

544
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,320
if you're going to have a public

545
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,919
conversation about

546
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,520
this subject

547
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,200
the last thing that those people want

548
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,120
and by those people i mean

549
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,880
anyone in the hierarchy that's got

550
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,640
sensitive access to this

551
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:50,240
they don't want to open up this whole

552
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,120
can of

553
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,880
worms on themselves

554
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,559
so they're trying to do this as

555
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:56,080
delicately

556
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,200
and as gently as they can and my opinion

557
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,120
is that they've decided

558
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:02,720
the way that they're going to do this is

559
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,480
by kind of reinventing the whole subject

560
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,640
so they're talking about uap and he's

561
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:10,320
going under this pretense oh well we

562
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,679
don't know what they are

563
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,679
of course he knows what they are

564
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:14,799
but

565
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,240
with even members of congress who i mean

566
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,080
most of them are so far in the dark they

567
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,840
have no clue

568
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,360
about any of this

569
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,120
right they're just they're like a

570
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,880
kindergarten level

571
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,880
and most of the

572
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,080
uh educated so-called educated

573
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,440
world of ours

574
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,280
i'm talking about academia for sure

575
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,520
which is a very rigid structure and

576
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,960
certainly the media

577
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,760
there at kindergarten level or less

578
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:45,760
so for for someone like elizondo who

579
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,960
clearly knows a lot in my view

580
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,799
he's

581
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,440
if you know if you can imagine being in

582
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:55,280
his position how do you go about doing

583
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,159
this

584
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,520
you've got a really slow things down

585
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,080
for the mainstream and make this as

586
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,720
non-dangerous as possible so no talk

587
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,320
about cover-up

588
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,159
god forbid and they don't they don't get

589
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,039
into cover-up at all they're like why

590
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,039
are they ignoring this subject

591
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,640
elizondo's like all i hear is the sound

592
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,400
of crickets well

593
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:17,520
yeah

594
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,960
but there's also people above you who

595
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,480
they're not that's not the sound of

596
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:24,400
qrikets there they're actually very well

597
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,840
keyed in on this and

598
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,320
he clearly knows this but

599
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,559
they have to have this pretense so

600
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,320
that's my interpretation what do you

601
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,799
think uh well

602
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:36,080
i

603
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,880
the more talk

604
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,600
the more that the world is exposed to

605
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,000
this conversation and questions get

606
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,360
asked i'm very appreciative of that

607
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,559
very appreciative what i don't believe

608
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,679
this is this is when we talk about facts

609
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,200
is that uh

610
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,840
the ufo question is not going to be

611
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,480
revealed on the history channel any more

612
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,039
than bigfoot is it's it's it's not going

613
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,080
to play out that way and for

614
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,000
them to pull on the heartstrings of

615
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,320
those out there that want these answers

616
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,320
and that it's going to come in a six

617
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,159
part episode on history channel and

618
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,919
we're going to show you ever

619
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,400
that that i think is wrong but

620
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,799
i'm glad that the show was airing

621
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,880
because people will be talking about it

622
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,520
but we all know the ending of the show

623
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,799
well it's all

624
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,919
well i don't know how far they're going

625
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,000
to go with it i know nothing about the

626
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,360
production of this i mean i've heard

627
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,120
about it like you but i don't know

628
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,200
anything inside

629
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,159
um and it's tv and you know we've both

630
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,320
been involved in tv and and it's very

631
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,320
obvious it's only so far that any tv

632
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,000
production is going to go

633
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,520
they're very limited

634
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,880
having said that what i think is

635
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,799
happening is

636
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,559
we're seeing

637
00:24:01,190 --> 00:24:00,400
i mean think about how much we have seen

638
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:01,200
since

639
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,520
new york times and then the washington

640
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,480
post very coordinated by the way all

641
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,400
right we're supposedly looking at an

642
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,720
independent media but obviously

643
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,559
this is not very independent it's very

644
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,799
coordinated they all work together to do

645
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,480
their ufo coverage

646
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,840
and it was

647
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,720
that really was a sea change

648
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,240
in our culture

649
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,640
the further ahead now we go and we look

650
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,679
back

651
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:29,440
i think we can see

652
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,320
december 16 2017 as a truly major event

653
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,559
and in the sense that

654
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,640
you have the ultimate voice of the

655
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,320
establishment that is the new york times

656
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,400
and and the wapo i suppose

657
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:43,919
both

658
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,240
stating uh that the ufo subject

659
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:50,320
has been taken seriously by our pentagon

660
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,600
that's huge

661
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:52,960
you know the new york both of those have

662
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,840
been so snarky and so uh dishonest about

663
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,600
ufos for so long and then they come out

664
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,240
with this so something changed well

665
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,720
let's pick up let's let's let's get to a

666
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,120
break and we will pick up right where we

667
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,400
are leaving off right now our guest

668
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,720
tonight richard dolan we're talking

669
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,919
about everything that's going on right

670
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:11,840
now in the news we're gonna get to the

671
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,440
u.s navy allegedly adopting reporting

672
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,039
procedures for

673
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,159
ufos now established as uaps we'll be

674
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,679
right back after this short break more

675
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,000
with richard dolan after this stay with

676
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:25,840
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677
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685
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,159
welcome back fade to black i'm yours to

686
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,840
be church our guest tonight richard

687
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,360
bleepin dolan

688
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,880
now

689
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,640
we're gonna pick up right where we left

690
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:54,880
off and i know what went on during the

691
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,760
break richard was thinking and he wants

692
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,120
to come back after the break and go

693
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,559
jimmy i was thinking during the break

694
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,720
let me let me get this thought in but

695
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,720
before i let you get that thought in

696
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,760
richard

697
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,760
uh i want to get this thought in because

698
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,240
i was thinking during the break is that

699
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:12,400
um you made a couple of really good

700
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,039
points about a monolithic monopoly of of

701
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,200
of news and control of the media that

702
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:20,960
we're dealing with today

703
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,240
absolutely great point and one of the

704
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,120
things that we are also dealing with

705
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,679
when it comes to ufos

706
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:30,559
now

707
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,880
is that we are only getting one side of

708
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:36,320
this story

709
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,880
from ttsa in their pr firm to the media

710
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,440
all of the news releases that have come

711
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,840
out on those top google searches that i

712
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,960
just did

713
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:48,480
each one of those

714
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,880
was a ttsa thing and elizondo and just

715
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,960
like the united states navy's press

716
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,799
release this week

717
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,360
you get to the core of the article you

718
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:02,240
get to the bottom and it's elizondo and

719
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:04,840
the history channel and chris mellon and

720
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,640
ttsa and there you see where all of this

721
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,720
information came from

722
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:13,520
now we are into that danger zone

723
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,799
and when it comes out on politico this

724
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:19,279
is this really needs to be brought out

725
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,640
and spoken about

726
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:22,720
comes out it's a press release bought

727
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:26,000
and paid for by ttsa it goes to politico

728
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,640
politico guyses it as uh as news and

729
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,440
then cnn picks it up and then fox picks

730
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,880
it up now it goes from a press release

731
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,679
to

732
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,000
news and fact base

733
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,000
that is a danger zone

734
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,480
that's exactly right i think you've

735
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,360
um

736
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:48,720
so what we're seeing is ttsa

737
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:51,679
has clearly developed

738
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,399
uh close enough relationships with the

739
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:56,640
in crowd that is the major media or

740
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,840
their pr firm has taken advantage of

741
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,840
these said relationships that have been

742
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,600
built

743
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,600
right exactly i mean a lot of it is is

744
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,600
the uh i'm sure the old boys network i

745
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:09,520
mean these are these are well connected

746
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,399
people

747
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,159
some of them are very well connected and

748
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,960
i think they had media connections to

749
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,120
start with so that very much helped

750
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,279
and what they have to say

751
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,320
i think i think they what they are

752
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,919
doing what they're saying you've got

753
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,600
people like um

754
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,960
you know chris mellon you mentioned and

755
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,559
louise elizondo and then there's hal put

756
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:31,520
off who i consider extremely important

757
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,240
uh

758
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:33,840
what they

759
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,360
are doing i i think is clear is a has

760
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,320
been approved by someone important or

761
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,399
some group that's important

762
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:44,399
so they're allowed to get that message

763
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,279
out

764
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,080
and they are dominating

765
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,000
all of the mainstream

766
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,159
narratives on ufos there's no question i

767
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,840
think you nailed it

768
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,640
it's a it's a danger zone and for those

769
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,080
that uh in the community that

770
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,279
are emotionally involved with this

771
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,039
subject it's why they are here they've

772
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,039
had a sighting they've had dreams

773
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:09,840
contact whatever it is that draws them

774
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:13,520
into this quest for answers right

775
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:16,960
they want something and then this comes

776
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,399
out uh as a press release and and it

777
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,080
turns into news

778
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,559
and then it's pulling on their emotions

779
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,799
when they don't have

780
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,919
uh

781
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,720
necessarily the the time or whatever to

782
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,080
read through the whole article and

783
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,279
actually see

784
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,520
really what is going on with it they

785
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,520
only read the top couple of paragraphs

786
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,159
holy crap the united states navy is is

787
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,440
uh uh now it's got ufo

788
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,039
reporting protocols and they're talking

789
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,039
to their pilots about this but when that

790
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,720
is not the case

791
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,440
the only real news in that article if

792
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,559
you really if one reads it carefully um

793
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,600
because we don't even know what the

794
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,760
guidelines are that's right it's not

795
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,760
releasing them but there was some

796
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,080
genuine news in that article and

797
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:05,200
which is that the navy acknowledged that

798
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,320
they

799
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,799
have been briefing

800
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,559
uh members of congress and their

801
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,399
staffers

802
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,960
on ufos and this has

803
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,200
no not on ufos

804
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:19,440
not on ufos they've been briefing them

805
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:20,840
on

806
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,919
something now see this is the thing when

807
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:25,840
we're when they're when they're talking

808
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:33,350
what are we actually talking about here

809
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,039
is it is it chinese and russian uh drone

810
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,640
technologies spying on on our military

811
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:43,760
maneuvers is it is it hypersonic

812
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,880
aircraft and missile systems what is it

813
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,000
that

814
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,279
truly is is the core of the matter here

815
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:52,480
or

816
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,279
if

817
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,360
the navy is talking to members of

818
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,559
congress about et being here on this

819
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,440
planet that's a whole nother situation

820
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,360
which is a big deal

821
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,679
i haven't been privy to any of this

822
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:07,039
information

823
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,760
so

824
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,600
take it for what it's worth right i'm

825
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,760
going to give you my strong opinion on

826
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,880
this

827
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,480
which is that they're not telling

828
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:16,080
congress that e.t is here no they're not

829
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,200
doing that

830
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:20,240
but i i do think that in addition to

831
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,520
talking about

832
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,279
whatever threats from

833
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:25,120
other national drones russia china

834
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,000
whatever

835
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,720
i'm sure that's in the mix

836
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,360
but look ttsa

837
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,000
has always been about

838
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,080
the genuine ufo phenomenon they don't

839
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:37,519
use that phrase

840
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,440
but they

841
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:41,200
absolutely that's what they're about

842
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,720
and when the navy is talking about this

843
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,640
uh this statement i've i'm looking at

844
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,559
the exact statement that the navy gave

845
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,320
to politico

846
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,600
which by the way i think you're exactly

847
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,679
right politico really did very little on

848
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,080
this except that act as an in between a

849
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,440
go-between i don't know how much genuine

850
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,399
journalism they ever really do anyway

851
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,039
but the navy's exact statement was in

852
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,000
response to requests for information

853
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,159
from congressional members and staff

854
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,880
navy officials have provided a series of

855
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,080
briefings

856
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,559
by senior naval intelligence officials

857
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:16,720
as well as aviators

858
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,519
who reported hazards to aviation safety

859
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,200
i i was earlier today i was calling that

860
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,640
weasel wording

861
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,960
they didn't really but

862
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,120
but it's also i think

863
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,799
one should be able to read between the

864
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,120
lines of a lot of the stuff it

865
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,880
seems to me that they are having these

866
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,679
conversations on uap ufo whatever you

867
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,919
want to call them

868
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,399
um there does seem to be

869
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,320
some level of interest in

870
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,919
at least among some members of congress

871
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,440
about this

872
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,559
and

873
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,399
where it goes i think it's a positive

874
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:53,039
thing to a certain extent like my

875
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,840
opinion of these

876
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,760
individuals in ttsa is

877
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:58,799
i

878
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,760
they're not honorable

879
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:04,240
and actually not genuinely interested in

880
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,519
some

881
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,840
moving it forward with disclosure

882
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,440
but they're also

883
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,840
people with their own agendas

884
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:13,360
and

885
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,640
say it's real they're here people

886
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,240
they're not gonna do that

887
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:22,240
so they're going to do this in the way

888
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,360
that

889
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:26,000
is responsible for them to do

890
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,519
so they don't get their you know their

891
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,200
head handed to them by the media by the

892
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,960
press but i think they're probably

893
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,880
allowed to do but they're allowed to do

894
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:35,200
i think the press is

895
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,240
waiting

896
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,000
it would be the biggest headline ever

897
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,880
just like when when uh

898
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:42,880
uh the new york times ran with that

899
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,159
story and it blew up like it did because

900
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:49,200
people want to know this news is great i

901
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,399
don't think the new york times is ever

902
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,320
interested in genuine journalism there

903
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,320
ever wow and you know they've done no

904
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,440
follow-up but okay

905
00:34:01,269 --> 00:34:00,000
no follow-up well maybe i said it wrong

906
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:01,279
um

907
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:05,760
cnn fox bbc sky news rt

908
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,440
washington post new york times l.a times

909
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,639
london time every news organization in

910
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,040
the world jumped on that story because

911
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:16,480
they needed they

912
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,679
and when

913
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,320
when the time comes that that headline

914
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,399
is et is here

915
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,639
they will all jump on it and they will

916
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,359
all report it just like they did

917
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:29,200
that's true they'll do that but they're

918
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,240
not

919
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,679
like the new york times could have done

920
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,480
that 50 years ago yes they could have

921
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,879
all right and they didn't do it and they

922
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:39,119
could do it today and they didn't do it

923
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,240
today and they could do it tomorrow and

924
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,320
they won't do it tomorrow so

925
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:44,320
you know they they don't go there for a

926
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,440
reason

927
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:46,960
we have

928
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,480
um you mentioned rt in that mix of uh

929
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,079
predominantly western news that was

930
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,800
interesting but the whole western news

931
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,599
we'll look at them for the moment is

932
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:59,280
utterly

933
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,640
subservient

934
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,880
to national security interests and

935
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,119
financial interests of those of western

936
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,640
society

937
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,320
and um

938
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,560
so we could we had our rt conversation

939
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,320
the last time i was on i believe yeah we

940
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,560
did we did but um

941
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,839
you know we have we live in a very

942
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,839
controlled media world it's very

943
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,079
controlled so

944
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,040
the fact i mean i i agree like the the

945
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,079
people at ttsa

946
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,000
they have their role

947
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,960
to play in my in my opinion but theirs

948
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,839
is not

949
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,680
should not be the only role what we

950
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:35,520
desperately need

951
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:36,480
is

952
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,880
you know when you do a youtube search

953
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,440
and you get only cnn and fox and msnbc

954
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:45,760
good god i know there's a problem with

955
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:48,640
that there's other voices and and let me

956
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,920
uh let me throw this out i can't wait to

957
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,920
hear your answer

958
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,160
without ttsa

959
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,040
in the the uap spin

960
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,480
on the politico article without ttsa

961
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,960
the political article doesn't happen

962
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:07,520
there is no journalist over a politico

963
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,200
pursuing the subject without ttsa

964
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,000
there is no new york times article all

965
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,200
of the information all of the sources

966
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,680
for those articles all of it not

967
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,079
independent sources outside of the mix

968
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:24,880
all of those sources are ttsa sources

969
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,520
that's right every single one

970
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,800
and

971
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,520
that's a dangerous complaint about ttsa

972
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,240
but look they did this much

973
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:36,320
it's a significant thing

974
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:37,359
now

975
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,160
uh

976
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,400
they haven't gone farther

977
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,839
and i don't know if it's because they

978
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,079
can't or they won't but they haven't

979
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,560
they've gone as far as they've gone

980
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,040
and maybe they'll go farther still but

981
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,880
it's a very careful process like you can

982
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,640
see it's a very

983
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,480
cautious step-by-step process that

984
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,400
they're going through here

985
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,440
don't you think um

986
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:00,720
i'm going to talk about the united

987
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,280
states navy here uh for a second

988
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,480
that uh and putting the political

989
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,280
article aside or the the tta press

990
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,800
release through

991
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,760
the code

992
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:14,000
uh put it putting that aside

993
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:15,200
that

994
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:19,200
if the united states navy

995
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,160
really

996
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:21,760
genuinely

997
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:25,119
i mean like it is being talked about

998
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,359
uh is dealing with a threat from e.t

999
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,839
that it would be done in a different

1000
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,480
manner than the way that it is being

1001
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,880
dealt with right now

1002
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,960
no matter how it is whether it's top

1003
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,440
secret and we don't hear about it or

1004
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,480
it's discussed at congress or whatever

1005
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,320
in a more open manner i don't care but

1006
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,320
it's not through

1007
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,200
a history channel tv show and a press

1008
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,079
release well think of it this way

1009
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,079
um all of this

1010
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,000
you know even the politico article they

1011
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,640
they're referencing the 2004 tic tac

1012
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,320
incident over and over again with the

1013
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,960
nimitz off the coast of california now

1014
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,480
that's a significant event and we've

1015
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,800
it's by now it's a famous ufo event and

1016
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,440
and actually rightly so

1017
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,720
but that's

1018
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:14,560
15 years ago

1019
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,349
now that the whole rest of the world

1020
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,119
learned about the tic tac incident i

1021
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,880
mean clearly you'd think it would have

1022
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,560
been important enough for them in o4

1023
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,079
when you have an object that's able to

1024
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,000
defeat the highly encrypted naval

1025
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,440
communications

1026
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,839
to arrive at the cap point where that

1027
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,160
the f-18 a super hornets were directed

1028
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,560
to go it was there waiting for them

1029
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,720
only explanation i can see is that it

1030
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,480
was able to break through

1031
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,480
very classified navy encrypted

1032
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,280
communications like if i'm the navy in

1033
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,520
2004 i'm going to think

1034
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,680
we got to have some we got problems yeah

1035
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:53,280
we deal with it we've got a problem

1036
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,400
people think that they're going to wait

1037
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,320
15 years

1038
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,839
uh after the whole thing comes out in

1039
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,960
the open before they have their

1040
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,950
if if i was if i was in congress if i

1041
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,520
was a senator if i was trump

1042
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,280
and i got news of this

1043
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,400
the first thing i'm doing is bringing

1044
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,480
uh the head of the navy

1045
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:17,920
uh all of the admirals and rear admirals

1046
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,040
into congress sitting them down going

1047
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,320
what do you mean you're talking about

1048
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,720
this now what have you been doing for 15

1049
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,680
years

1050
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,760
if it's so important now why didn't you

1051
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,079
do something back then

1052
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,960
this is not cool you you are guilty here

1053
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,280
you cannot you cannot say hey we're in

1054
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,599
it you know now it's a big deal but but

1055
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:39,839
back that you can't you can't stand on

1056
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,079
that we need explanations out of you

1057
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,920
yeah they would but no i'm saying no

1058
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,320
congressman's doing it no senator is

1059
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,960
bringing up the obvious question who's

1060
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,720
running the navy completely broken

1061
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:54,000
political system

1062
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,359
i mean you're talking about the house

1063
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,720
the senate and the presidency they're

1064
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,839
all broken

1065
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,000
like seriously what could trump possibly

1066
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,440
do at this point

1067
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,359
you know he's got half the congress is

1068
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,280
talking about impeaching him and

1069
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,839
subpoenaing for this or that or whatever

1070
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:10,480
like he's got his hands tied

1071
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,320
right whether you like him or don't like

1072
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,000
him it's very obvious this guy's totally

1073
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,520
been kneecapped

1074
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,960
he's not going to be able to do a whole

1075
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,280
lot what about that what about inside of

1076
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,920
the military itself i'm a military brat

1077
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,480
okay and i know

1078
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,960
how it is there you take orders and you

1079
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,280
do your job right and that's it that's

1080
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,000
that's that's the military well

1081
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,160
if something like this went down i could

1082
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,520
only imagine the first thing happening

1083
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,359
is the phone call to the captain of the

1084
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,680
nimitz in that battle group

1085
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,680
right and and and getting some

1086
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,160
explanations going on that this was just

1087
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,160
you know washed under the table for 15

1088
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,520
years and we've got these kind of

1089
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,839
threats flying around and we're just now

1090
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,520
hearing about new protocols being

1091
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,280
written up where are the official

1092
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,800
reports that were written back then we

1093
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,200
want to know exactly what happened

1094
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,280
basically i think it's very obvious that

1095
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,960
the classified

1096
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,280
world that's military and non-military

1097
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,359
classified world has been dealing with

1098
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,920
this just fine all these years

1099
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:11,760
and so you know the stuff that the navy

1100
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,920
is giving to politicos via ttsa

1101
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,599
uh is that anything more than just

1102
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,760
public relations i mean i wouldn't think

1103
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,400
so

1104
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:22,240
i i would have to assume that the

1105
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,440
genuine

1106
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,200
reporting mechanisms

1107
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,680
look we had janup 146 series of

1108
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,960
guidelines that were in place back in

1109
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,720
the 1950s for goodness sake like we've

1110
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,480
always had

1111
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:35,119
very very particular protocols

1112
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,560
in place

1113
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,520
to deal with the ufo phenomenon that's

1114
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,200
always been the case

1115
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:43,440
so it's not like

1116
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,560
uh

1117
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,800
you know oh golly what are these things

1118
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,040
flying at mach 3. we have no idea well

1119
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,520
let's just forget about it which is what

1120
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,359
uh chris mellon actually said in that

1121
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,760
politico article that it goes into

1122
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,760
basically a junk drawer junk file

1123
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,160
because there's no place for it and i

1124
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,160
would seriously doubt that the us

1125
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,880
military's got a budget of over 700

1126
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,000
billion

1127
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,960
dollars it is the largest military by

1128
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,240
far in the world

1129
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,319
it's charged with defending national

1130
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,599
security

1131
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,160
and you can't tell me credibly that

1132
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,240
there's no place

1133
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,319
in that massive

1134
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,800
amount of uh spending and

1135
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,760
that

1136
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,760
labyrinthian structure

1137
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,400
that there is not a program that is

1138
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,319
dealing with this but it is highly

1139
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,520
classified because this is the most

1140
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,359
classified secret

1141
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,560
by far

1142
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,560
this is a bigger secret probably than

1143
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,000
even 911

1144
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,480
and that's big sorry i just went there

1145
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,800
yes but with ufos

1146
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,440
uh i think nothing is is bigger

1147
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,960
and and so for that reason it has to

1148
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,040
it has to have

1149
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,960
you know secret or more secret than

1150
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,920
secret allows and so it's very very very

1151
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,119
strict

1152
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,119
so i don't know

1153
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,640
secret levels but it's clearly way

1154
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:04,960
beyond anything that we're hearing this

1155
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,800
uh article uh that uh references these

1156
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,760
new reporting protocols for the united

1157
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:14,640
states navy about ufos and uaps okay

1158
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,160
that is the slant that's the spin

1159
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:20,480
that the article has on it the navy

1160
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,720
didn't say ufos or uaps um in in their

1161
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,200
press release it is politico

1162
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,079
and elizondo and mellon in this press

1163
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,680
release that said

1164
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,440
right okay

1165
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,960
do you think that these new protocols

1166
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,720
even if they do exist but i'm talking

1167
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,359
about if they do exist the new ones

1168
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,440
right that they actually

1169
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:45,839
are are focused on

1170
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,319
ufos and uaps or it's in a generality

1171
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,160
and it's just if you see anything

1172
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,200
suspicious at all i think it's possible

1173
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,400
that it's genuinely ufo uap oriented uh

1174
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:01,200
it could be like a reboot of blue book

1175
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,230
you know it would be

1176
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,359
rebooting project blue book would be

1177
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:12,480
in a sense a step up tort believe it or

1178
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,920
not i i could argue toward disclosure

1179
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,079
uh in the sense that you once again like

1180
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,960
we did in the 50s have an official

1181
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,760
body within the government

1182
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,359
charged officially with looking into

1183
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:27,440
this so

1184
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,119
um i think that we're moving toward this

1185
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,359
openness it is relative openness for one

1186
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:35,760
reason and one reason only which is that

1187
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,079
i think it's obvious

1188
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,640
that this is a secret that is not going

1189
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,359
to stay buried forever like where where

1190
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,520
disclosure has an expiration date and i

1191
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,920
think we are moving toward it

1192
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,920
and it's nothing to do with the desires

1193
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,920
of the political hierarchy if they had

1194
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,520
their way this would go for another 50

1195
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:55,280
or 500 years

1196
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,319
but

1197
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,839
they don't have full control over the

1198
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,079
situation our world is in a state of

1199
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,760
great flux

1200
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,280
and yes

1201
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,040
there are powers

1202
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,880
at that be right now that are doing

1203
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,040
everything possible to double down on

1204
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,880
their control over the whole system so

1205
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,040
youtube google facebook the whole thing

1206
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,960
i mean facebook just banned we talked

1207
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,240
about that whole bunch of other people

1208
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,599
today

1209
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,960
um

1210
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:21,040
it's becoming incredible

1211
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,000
so

1212
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,400
but without with the other side of it is

1213
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,480
that there are still

1214
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,240
lots of people out there with a lot of

1215
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,400
ability to communicate

1216
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,880
you know ty try as you might you can't

1217
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,400
completely

1218
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,880
nail down the the internet

1219
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,280
and so for that reason i think it's seen

1220
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:41,359
as an inevitability

1221
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,200
that the ufo secret is going to come out

1222
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,880
so the only question is

1223
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,800
how will it come out under what

1224
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,359
conditions so we're seeing

1225
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,680
a very very dramatic

1226
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,280
shift

1227
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,160
in how ufos are being portrayed

1228
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,160
so it's not as a big joke as it was in

1229
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,839
the old days

1230
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,359
jokes about little green men and all

1231
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,960
that stuff that's all gone

1232
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:06,720
we're not seeing that we're seeing a

1233
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,520
much more sober serious discussion about

1234
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,520
uap

1235
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,079
and um

1236
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,839
and i think they're doing that as a way

1237
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:18,000
to control the narrative as much as

1238
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,280
possible

1239
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:21,839
because when the time comes

1240
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,520
and a general admission has to be made

1241
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,520
that this is real

1242
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:28,400
i

1243
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,880
cover-up

1244
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,480
they don't want

1245
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,280
what have you been doing with this

1246
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,520
information all these years

1247
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,520
they i don't know how successful they

1248
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,599
can possibly be it seems to me a very

1249
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:50,720
difficult

1250
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:54,400
to do but

1251
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,760
maybe they think they can get away with

1252
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,400
it and maybe they can because

1253
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,839
eliminating

1254
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,079
increasingly the internet

1255
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,680
and search engine results and with

1256
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,599
algorithms and so forth so

1257
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,119
maybe they just think that they're going

1258
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:08,880
to be able to spin

1259
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,839
disclosures sufficiently

1260
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,400
so that they can you know

1261
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,280
follow the cya rule not get in trouble

1262
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:19,760
and do disclosure on their terms

1263
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,359
and i feel that uh when i come back uh

1264
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,800
after the break which we're going to do

1265
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,000
in 45 seconds i'm going to tell you the

1266
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,760
brief story

1267
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,720
uh

1268
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,839
that

1269
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,960
one of our neighbors kids told me last

1270
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,119
week about his sighting when he was 14

1271
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,480
years old and when i share that with you

1272
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,800
because this was at a military base it's

1273
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,280
absolutely nuts and this is not a ufo

1274
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,839
person this was just a conversation but

1275
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:51,200
the danger that we have in this monopoly

1276
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,359
is a ttsa controlling this narrative

1277
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,960
from one side

1278
00:48:02,950 --> 00:47:59,680
and that that i we we need to be very

1279
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:02,960
very very very careful here

1280
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:06,079
um and i i i'm thinking about the

1281
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,520
community richard that's all i'm

1282
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,440
thinking about yeah yeah i i'm with you

1283
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,680
i mean i feel i'm a little more gentle

1284
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,359
on them i think than you are i think i

1285
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,200
understand where they're coming from but

1286
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,880
i agree with you

1287
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:17,760
they

1288
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,240
and and the media i mean

1289
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,640
anytime a ufo story breaks

1290
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,079
is it that they're going to pick up the

1291
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,960
phone and call elizondo for a quote

1292
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,559
you know that's not the only voice

1293
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,480
though there's still there's still you

1294
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,079
know this community an alternative

1295
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,599
community out there but

1296
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,000
it is true there's in the establishment

1297
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,800
there's the controlled media yeah yeah

1298
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:42,720
ask anybody across

1299
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,359
of our ufo community about ufos they're

1300
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:49,200
probably going to bring up elizondo

1301
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,559
because that's the only face that they

1302
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,800
see in the media right now so let's take

1303
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,800
a break right here we got to let's get

1304
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,640
this in our guest tonight is richard

1305
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,720
dolan i am your host jimmy church this

1306
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,280
is fade to black we've got a lot to talk

1307
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,640
about when i come back i am going to

1308
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,400
tell that story that my neighbor shared

1309
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,559
with me last week it's pretty incredible

1310
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,160
richard you ready

1311
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:09,760
yes sir let's do this we'll be right

1312
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,589
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